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The Elegant Warrior with Heather Hansen

Oct 24, 2022

What is the deepest silence you’ve ever known? Justin Zorn and Leigh Marz discuss the world's loudness and how silence and stillness can bring clarity and peace into our lives.


  • Why silence isn’t just an absence of noise, but a presence that brings energy, clarity and deeper connection
  • Why silence can be a good alternative to meditation and mindfulness
  • How the impact of noise falls disproportionately on those with a lower income
  • How to create pockets of silence throughout the day in order to rejuvenate yourself



Justin Talbot Zorn has served as both a policymaker and a meditation teacher in the U.S. Congress. A Harvard- and Oxford-trained specialist in the economics and psychology of well-being, Justin has written for the Washington Post, The Atlantic, Harvard Business Review, Foreign Policy, and other publications. He is cofounder of Astrea Strategies, a consultancy that bridges contemplation and action, helping leaders and teams envision and communicate solutions to complex challenges.

Leigh Marz is a collaboration consultant and leadership coach for major universities, corporations, and federal agencies as well as a longtime student of pioneering researchers and practitioners of the ritualized use of psychedelic medicines in the West. In her professional work, she has led diverse initiatives, including a training program to promote an experimental mindset among teams at NASA and a decade-long cross-sector collaboration to reduce toxic chemicals in products, in partnership with Green Science Policy Institute, Harvard University, IKEA, Google, and Kaiser Permanente. She is the cofounder of Astrea Strategies.

 Golden reveals how to go beyond the ordinary rules and tools of mindfulness. It’s a field guide for navigating the noise of the modern world—not just the noise in our ears but also on our screens and in our heads. Drawing on lessons from neuroscience, business, spirituality, politics, and the arts, Marz and Zorn explore why auditory, informational, and internal silence is essential for physical health, mental clarity, ecological sustainability, and vibrant community.

Read or listen to their book, Golden: The Power of Silence in a World of Noise

Book Recommendations:

Leigh’s Recommendation: Finding Freedom and That Bird Has My Wings by Jarvis Jay Masters

Justin’s Recommendation: The World of Silence by Max Picard


To learn more about Leigh Marz and Justin Zorn, visit the links below:

Justin’s website:

Leigh’s website:

Justin’s Twitter: @JustinZorn

Leigh’s Twitter: @LeighMarz



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